Kathryn Minshew is goals — literally. She’s the co-founder and CEO of career platform The Muse, which aims to help millennials and women early in their careers navigate the ever-intimidating, often-confusing world of job hunting and professional development. She encourages young people to put a premium on their personal value by setting concrete goals and then identifying the pathways to achieve them.

She’s done much more, but in an interview with Quartz, Minshew talks about embracing the changing nature of work, putting a priority on inclusive company culture, and the value of relentless persistence.

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